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| Good Visual Look of Your Caves! Wednesday, February 27, 2013 4:30 pm — Guide posted by Teo |
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Welcome! I feel I would write about it even though there might be already a similar guide, but I'm feeling like writing some of my own tips and details for a good looking cave.
Let's start off with the basics! Hmmm... What do you think about the chamber of the cave here on the picture?
Ehhh... Simple. Hannah goes from the left side, uses the arrow to get the treasure, and makes progress further to the right side. But what's that? Have you ever (if you have ever even been in a cave
) been in a cave shaped like a square or a rectangle? :/ I think not, and you will agree with me. 
But what can we do with this issue? Maybe make it cave-looking! 
Hmm... I think it looks way better now. Decorated with spikes in a well-detailed style, definitely better and more cavey looking than before!
Now, how to make sure our caves look visually well and look actually like caves? Some people may have its own good tips and styles, but lemme tell you some of my own tips to make caves more detailed and well looking. Let's start. In places, where it's safe and not annoying, try to use stalactites and stalagmites. (in other words - spikes) Make sure it looks good and doesn't make any unwanted damage to the player if it's not the intention of the spikes. For example, here you have a short passage where you has to just go through it and e.g. take some treasures. There's no need to jump or something, so you can, you even should add some spikes or at least cavey shapes to the sides. (top, bottom, sides) Remember it - never, never leave the caves with flat and boring walls + empty places. Compare these two examples:
In the first one, we see Hannah going from the first corridor for the sake of collecting the treasures and continuing on. The second place has the same purpose, but of course looks way better and should often look like this. What's the difference? Well, it's very similar to the first example, and has practically the same purpose. Look more exactly into the examples to see how the spikes are placed and how the cave looks better with them. Also, in my opinion, you should avoid placing big chunks of treasures, it's unproffesional and in real, it wouldn't likely happen too I guess.
IMO, one or maximally two treasures with an additional box looks very well in that passage and is everything you would like to have in there. What else we can do? We can also (not always) but very often, make the passage even more cavey and detailed! Look here:
Here, let's say some workers were mining in that mine ages ago, and built a platform above an dangerous spikey ditch to make their work safer. Now Hannah must explore the cave after them and find some abandoned treasures! Here we go into the passage and we find ourselves on the platform above some spike abyss and under some dangerous stalactites. It's definitely very well looking now and the cave is visually well designed at the moment. You can now see your possibilities with the caves! Combine with it to make them look even better, but now I'll tell some of my personal tips, and I think you can use them to make the caves look even better visually.
First off - we see some circled examples here.
There are three examples under the platform, and one above it. Let's explain them.
RED - We use it very often in some tight passages to make the arrows fly through it and trigger some traps, while making the passage not passable for Hannah. It's very common, I (even not too long ago) thought it shouldn't be like this, because it's floating, but eh, don't listen to me here actually, these are pirate caves and something like this is definitely acceptable. You'll need it in some of your traps I guess and you'll use it, I use it myself pretty often when it's needed too. But don't overuse it in the same place to not make the visual look of the cave worse!
BLUE and YELLOW - These are practically the same cases, but I put them both here for the sake of having both spikes in and because of explaining. :p So yeah, in this situation, I preferably always avoid situations like this. In my opinion, floating spikes without any surface adjacent to the flat surface of the spike (under or above the spike, depends on one of these situation on this picture) are not acceptable. Some people don't see anything wrong in it and are using it, and they can have their own opinion and I understand them. But in my opinion, it just breaks the look of the cave and makes it worse visually, so you should avoid it. Yeah, I used it in the past too and you would find my caves with that, but I'm not an immature dumb noob anymore, so I wouldn't use it now.
You would now e.g. play Primary Lotus by Livio on acceleron_3000 and see Livio using a lot of these spikes... Yeah, I like the cave a lot too, but still, in my opinion, all the traps doesn't leave the cave good looking visually because of that case, but it's just like CSD telling sup_mus to use the empty space in his caves while having on his main uploaded "The Cascades" having a lot of CSDish free space left off. Opinions are different - but yeah, you don't see floating spikes without any surface under/above it in the nature, and you will likely agree with me here.VIOLET - The violet trap, you use the arrow to make your way out of the chamber. Yeah, understandable and we also see a spike, which blocks your way out of firing the arrow from the top, and it looks alright now, don't you think? Unless we fire the arrow and set off the trap... Also an example from Primary Lotus, a set off arrow leaves the spike there floating alone, so in my opinion you should also avoid situations like this. =)
Let's move on... what's next? Let's now say more indirectly about the detailing caves with spikes itself. Hmmm... How do I do it? Look into the next example picture:
Different shapes tell different spike detail situations. Short legend:
RED - You should avoid this!
GREEN - You can use this!
The situations on the bottom and the top are symetrically the same. Now I'll write about these different situations more exactly:
The first two situations, marked in an OVAL: In my opinion, for a good visual look, maximally there should be an amount of four "changing" its position together (top-bottom-top-bottom) spikes, as we see in the green oval. In the red oval, there's already 5 of these spikes made in that way, and IMO it's too many - you should position the fifth or even already the fourth spike one tile upper or lower than the rest of the spikes or leave a terrain tile on the same height line, but without a spike.
The next two situations, marked in a SQUARE with rounded corners: When you go with the spikes up, up, up, up... or down, down, down, down... and every time one tile upper or lower, then in my opinion, two spikes in a row is the max. As you can see in the red (wrong) example, there are already three spikes made up in the same arrangement (every time the next spike goes one tile upper/lower than the previous), and in my opinion it's already too many, but it doesn't affect the cave that negativiely, so in "critical" situations using it isn't that bad. But over even these three tiles in the same arrangement it's definitely too many then and it's too symmetrical for a cave. I'm used to avoid this, and when I come across a situation like that, I e.g. remove the middle spike and leave a tile without a spike there to make it more detailed and well-looking, like it's shown in the green square. It looks definitely better then.
The same rule is when you e.g. make spikes one after another but after two or more tiles.The last two situations, marked in a HEXAGON: It's actually very, very personal in my opinion, and it's just my style, but if you don't mind, you might avoid it like me, and I just felt like mentioning it in this guide.
So well... I just even try to avoid two spikes near each other like in the red hexagon. I often used it in the old times, and almost every experienced caver uses it (Dando/Sefro, krotomo...), but now I just avoid using even already two or even more (never a lot!) spikes near each other, like in the example from the red hexagon. I always just remove one of these spikes in this situation, like it's shown in the green hexagon. IMO, it just adds additional cavey details to the cave. (yeah, I could also add about some traps where it's just needed to make it like that, so that you want the player to e.g. duck-jump - then you have to place two or even three or sometimes even more spikes for the player to give him a non-cheatable environment for duck-jumping; but in these situations, while still trying to have as few of the spikes as possible, it's definitely acceptable, but don't overuse it too, and since it kind of glitch, I rarely use it nowadays, but it's your choice) =)Let's go to the next detail examples... So yeah, what else? Look on the picture!
All the examples on this picture are wrong. Now, I'll explain specific coloured errors:
RED - In my opinion, it's just a too high column, and visually that tight column with that spike on it is definitely too high and destroys the good visual look and even on the map preview won't look good. If you can, add some walls to the right or left side of the column with spikes under/on it to fix it, or just lower the column to the height which is shown in the blue example, it's a max height in my opinion, but there's also nothing wrong in three or more tile columns unless you add some additional shenanigans and decorations with terrain to it.
BLUE - In this situation, we see almost everything is ok. But in my opinion, if you already make something like this, it may also be very personal, but you can just make the spike on the left or on the right side one tile higher/lower for additional detail. IMO, it looks here just too symmetrical and e.g. the side spikes on the red example look alright there.
VIOLET - Hmmm, what we've got here? It's a bit specific, but in my opinion, terrain shouldn't contact with each other within its corners. IMO, it just breaks the visual look and it's one of the more important examples. It just looks a bit weird, and I try to avoid it unless it's really needed to use it that way. But yeah, for example, krotomo uses it a lot in his well visually designed caves
so I guess it's more a personal case, but in my opinion, it's just wrong and terrain should always contact with each other within at least one side of the terrain.And I'll also add additionally here, don't use e.g. alone tiles of terrain floating in mid-air. Even when there are two tiles of terrain, it's not enough to have it as a terrain in my opinion. If you can, make it a platform or in the worst case metal crates, unless it fits, then it's well. But terrain is terrain, there should be more terrain contacted with each other, I just try to avoid too small chunks of terrain if it's not needed.
*This addition is also about secret areas, since they look like terrain too, and they should just be in walls or in more needed places to look good, never place them just out of nowhere as small pieces or in too big blocks. Use them rather like they are meant to be used. Next details, look at the next picture:
It's an actual part of a level, yeah, Hannah goes up, makes her way out of the first chamber, and then goes quickly on the dynamites through the second trap. The rest of the cave isn't needed for us.
Now, let's explain some more useful things, now seriously! VIOLET - So yeah, when Hannah starts the level and hits the arrow, it will open the way for her to go through. She hits first arrow, the first arrow sets off second arrow, which sets off the dynamites. Everything's well marked with violet.
But now, what's wrong? And why there is something shown on the bottom-left part of the picture which is a part of that example too since it's violet too? Let's see what happens if we trigger this trap! The dynamites let Hannah get out of the cavern, but hey! They also destroy the spikes near the upper parts of the dynamites! And the bottom-left part of the picture shows how it will look after the trap is set off. No, and no. It looks just too bland now, without any spike decorations, and these terrain squares symmetrically going out from the wall even make it worse. So yeah, maybe it looks well at first, but the trap brakes the visual look! And this is why you should learn - make only traps which don't destroy your visual level look! What's the purpose of having it look good at first if at the rest of the level that part of the cave won't look too much like a cave anymore? Don't have your traps ruin your decorations and details, think out about traps which leave your level still looking well-visually and avoid situations like this. YELLOW - What we see here? There are two yellow-marked examples here, one with stalactite and one with stalagmite, on the opposite sides of the cave. So yeah, you would think, what wrong? And this is my answer: do not decorate your levels with the shown yellow examples!! You have a flat wall, and you just put a spike in like on the pictures! No! That doesn't look good! There should be at least two spikes, more empty space in the wall, or more complicated spiky holes. In my opinion, it just looks like you have an uploader-glitched cave, you uploaded it, and the arrows just ate a line with the second spike leaving it looking so crappy. That's why I'm almost always sure I accidentally made an uploader-glitched line in a cave when I'm testing it and I see something like this, that happened a lot through the weeks with the Great Hollow Tunnel, and the uploader glitch almost always left me with that crappy example of a single spike in a wall.
Yeah, I guess I also used it rarely sometimes and other people used it too, but yeah, in critical situations with no ways out, you can use it rarely e.g. once if you need sooo... but I advise you to avoid it and I try to avoid it too, because it's crappy and doesn't help the cave at all, even makes it worse. RED - Hmmm... I just marked a trap, Hannah goes out from the tunnel, sets out the arrow, and must quickly fall and run to the right to stay alive! And yeah, everything's ok with it, but why I marked the spikes instead of the dynamite trailblazer? I just felt like warning you from a common error. People would here want to make the bottom row (the marked one) of spikes well looking, and going with my tips, when there would be e.g. two spikes in a row on the same height one near the second one, the caver would just delete one of them like I advised and it would look better. But hey! The player would now just not even go through the trap, but just wait for the trailblazer to be set off and then land on the well-looking tile without spike and jump to the next traps from there! Oh noes! It's cheating! But here, it's a simple solution. Your destination - spikes in all places at this point. So the way out of that problem is easy - just make it together: well looking and spiky in all places. You must just feel it off how to place the spikes well to make it well-visually, and I showed you an example of spikes being in all places and looking well together, marked in red at that bottom part and being spoken about through last several lines of text. :p Now the trap won't be cheatable! But now a little off-top tip (because it's about the design itself): always remember to not have the dynamites destroy the spikes on the bottom too, because the player would again just wait and then land on the free tiles and jump from them to continue on! Now when you read it just design it with the given tips - well looking and fun!
BLUE - Yeah, I marked over two examples of spikes, and in both of them you see two spikes near each-other, about which I tell you earlier that I tend to avoid it and you can avoid it too for additional cavey-visuality.
But no, it's not an example showing you I made the spikes wrongly there because of what I've said before. I personally think, in situations like this, where you have a longer dynamite trailblazer or a dynamite chain which sets off arrows destroying platforms for example; then when making it looking better visually, I often use the two spikes one near the second one when putting it on the dynamites or in tight passages near the dynamites. It's even better then, because I guess you won't add more dynamites in to make different shapes, and since it's a single trail, a symmetrical positioning of spikes wouldn't be too effective here too, and we need to play with the amount of spikes near each-other. But I still advise to not make more than two spikes near each-other. It's enough and makes the cave look better enough. So yeah, usually, try to make something different than these repeating spikes, but in situations with no exit or in dynamite traps, it's definitely good to make something like this. GREEN - Hmmm... I marked two almost the same examples here. The upper one is the worse one (I don't say it's wrong), while the lower one is the correct one. =) In my opinion, I just think it's too busy with the spikes in the upper example there, spike near spike and a lot of spikes... In this situation it just doesn't fit, but if it's a cave styled in a more busy way or something, then you can feel free to use it. You must just feel out when you can do specific things and where you should avoid them. In a decent, average open-feel cave it's a bit of overusing spikes IMO, so use it only if you're sure it fits. In other cases, it's always good to remove one or more (but not too many) of these spikes to let there be more of the free-space, like it's shown in the lower example.
But yeah, it's acceptable and used well in correct situations can look well too. ORANGE - And what's here? After we are after the dynamite trailblazer, we continue on with the cave, and it seems there's a next trap waiting for us in the next portions of the cavern, since the trailblazer sets off an arrow at the end which, I guess, has some kind of purpose later on.
But here, let's tell about the tunnel for the arrow to fly through! We see some spikes, and they are well and correctly made. Here it's good to make different spikes near each-other, to show that the tunnel is just spiky from all sides and we have no entry into it, unless it's an arrow. :p But what to always avoid doing in these tunnels? So yeah, never use the same kind of spikes near each-other (e.g. two stalactites near each-other or two stalagmites near each-other). Never! Even though it's pretty much sometimes just acceptable in the normal environment of pirate caves and advised in the longer dynamite trailblazers (like I've said before), it's just not looking good in the tight tunnels IMO. What else? Don't make too symmetric arrangements of spikes and don't leave too many of these crawl-spaces empty. And it's just an example of poor crawl-tunnel for arrow - you can always add some space with spikes under/above the crawl-tunnel itself! It would be even better and you can see some examples of it in my cave the Great Hollow Tunnel too, but yeah, you must also be wary about not making these only-for-arrow chambers too busy too. Also, would competely forget about one important thing! Look here:
We also need to know where we can add spikes and where not. Yeah, it may also be very personal and some people don't see anything wrong in it, but just placing spikes on platforms like on the picture may not be my favourite way for making traps. It just doesn't look alright for me, even though you may make up some traps with it, in my opinion, when you have a "built by someone" platform, I don't think that a spike would just appear on it. And it just strangely looks with that colour composition, dark blue with brown, not too good. I just thought I could say about it too, and I might advise avoiding it too, but yeah, it's more a personal thing and if you really want to use it this way, I won't stop you from using it.
But with the boulders... No, on the metal crates or dynamites it's still acceptable unless the spikes aren't left floating after destroying the crates, but on boulders it doesn't look good even at first... They don't fill the tile competely and half of the spike just floats above/under the boulders and it's not well looking together. That's just my opinion though, you may do what you want, but with the boulder, if you want your caves well-looking visually, I would rather think on it than ignoring my advice here - we definitely won't see spikes floating above boulders in the nature too. And one more thing else before the last examples, now about terrain.
Compare the two formations of terrain on the next picture:
Yeah, what can we say? Now I'll write something about them. In my opinion, the one to the right is alright, while the one to the left is not good and rather shouldn't be like this. Why? Simple - because just like when making the too small chunks of terrain, this long snake of terrain branching out to some new tight snakes doesn't look good. Maybe you would manage to make it fitting, but in a decent, average cave, I guess it's just always better to use bigger chunks of terrain if you already use terrain, unless it's very needed and doesn't destroy the visual look, but somehow fits. =) Heck, look into my latest cave Filthy Burrows... It has definitely a few of these terrain snakes, and the one under the door definitely breaks some of the visual look there and I agree with it, but I had no other way I guess and when it's needed, just do that. It's definitely better then than combining with it or (don't even try!) change it to some crates or something! It's just a bit strange IMO sometimes, and when you'd be in caves, I guess the corridors would have strong and thick walls, not some symmetrical, branching out and squarish, tight snake-shaped terrain. But when needed, don't be too ashamed to do places like this, it's common too.
Keep it in mind! Hmmm... what's more? I guess after writing it I will get a lot of ideas I didn't add to the guide here, but for now, I guess I will just add some last tips for it and you're ready to design a well-looking cave.
So yeah, for the end, I would add one more example to the guide. Look at the picture:
So yeah, I just made a (I guess) a decent cave. But hey, we have some unused place there a the top-right portions of the cave! What can we do with it? So yeah, most of the cavers just leave it or fill it with some random spiky chambers or strange things, and I don't say it wrong or something, but I think we can e.g. nicely link the main cave to the unused chambers within some platforms, crates, or other things! We will show the player he/she is definitely playing a cave, and there are also some corridors he/she can't just reach, because the cave has just formed itself like this and some of the corridors aren't reachable. Of course, you can put some crates or other things in the unused chambers to show that something has also been left there or something, but don't put too many things there and try to make it looking like the rest of the cave or a little bit specific if you want.
Here's the cave with more detailed visual look by adding some corridors:
And yeah! It's definitely a way better looking cave by now!
So yeah, for the end... I can say also that you should place the door in the way that all the three bottom door tiles are on some other terrain tiles and the door is visible in 2/3 of its all at least. In my opinion, doors shouldn't be on platforms and any other crates, it just should be terrain.
And when you make caves, don't make the chambers and caverns too big or too small/tight. You must just feel it and see how big should a corridor be. And also, don't compare your visuality to The Neopets Team's visuality of caves... They don't know a lot of other things and I can clearly say their visuality is terrible... *let's play tutorial 2!*What else I can say... this is the end, and you may now think - how the hell I can quickly make it all without losing a lot of time?! Here you are! I guess you are not some noobs and so on, but in case you didn't know, when I make caves in CSD's Cavemaker:
Right Hand - The mouse, I only choose the tiles and the places where I want the tiles to be with it.
Left Hand - I have it on the Insert and Delete buttons on my keyboard on the right side of it. In case you didn't know, Insert will insert the selected tiles into the selected place and Delete will delete the tiles from the selected place and make it empty space. It helps making the cave well-looking a lot! =)
Brain - Working and thinking about how to make the cave well-looking visually and well-designed!
Examples of caves looking pretty well visually in my opinion:
O Green World, by Sefro
Rise and Run, by rainalonto
Yearning for Yellow, by krotomo
See how well it makes their map previews look ingame!
And I've also added the poor, now sadly a bit forgotten, but outstanding, and Isa's favourite cave of his own - The Pipe Dream! Look how amazing the map shows the level's visuality and its special - the metal crates, which fit there perfectly in my opinion!
So yeah, I hope everything's understandable and well described, maybe more people will make and play caves again, thanks for the attention, I hope the hours spent on the guide aren't wasted.
Have a nice day! *Attention: Some of the examples explain just how the cave can look good within my own style of making it, so you can of course have a different opinion about it, but I think it just looks good and everyone is fine with it, so I decided to share my tips with you.
User Comments (15)
| krotomo | ||
| The Shepherd Age: 24 Karma: 249 Posts: 4066 Gender: Male Location: My chair pm | email |
I agree with pretty much everything here, great guide, Teo! | |
| Isa | ||
| No. I'm an octopus. Age: 32 Karma: 686 Posts: 7833 Gender: Male Location: Uppsala, Sweden - GMT +1 pm | email |
I expected to see at least one picture of The Pipe Dream in here, which in my opinion has a great visual look due to the metal crates. I was sad not to see it.  | |
| Teo | ||
Age: 26 Karma: 138 Posts: 1766 Gender: Male Location: Warsaw, Poland pm | email |
Oh yeah, sorry if I kind of injured you a bit. :p But I just thinked about some more recent caves, these 2009-now, I wouldn't rather just have reminded about some cave from earlier than it, even though there were some amazing ones like it even before 2007. But yeah, I agree with you,'I've in the guide' said: metal crates, unless it fits, then it's well. I can add a mention with a picture about it, but that later, because I got a lot of work for tomorrow, and I just decided to take some of the free-time for the guide. :p And you know what's the hour and what's the day, we have the same time-zone at each other from what I recall. And thanks kro, too! I'm happy you liked it. EDIT: Yeah, added and agreed in this situation. Firstly, nothing was added from the custom people's caves, but I decided to show off some and quickly I just came up with these. :p And meh, had to say something else, but forgot... | |
| Isa | ||
| No. I'm an octopus. Age: 32 Karma: 686 Posts: 7833 Gender: Male Location: Uppsala, Sweden - GMT +1 pm | email |
Lol, I was kidding, but hey. | |
| atvelonis | ||
| Apocryphal Ruminator Karma: 160 Posts: 1642 Gender: Male Location: An antique land pm | email |
I'm a quite new cavemaker, I was having a hard time figuring out stuff like this, like where spikes should go and stuff, this helped me out, so I'm pleased that I can use this a reference to use for a cave. 'jellsprout' said: As a kid I always thought tennisballs looked delicious and I liked biting them. I still remember the feel of the fuzz on my teeth and tongue. | |
| Teo | ||
Age: 26 Karma: 138 Posts: 1766 Gender: Male Location: Warsaw, Poland pm | email |
'Isa' said: Lol, I was kidding, but hey. Haha, I kind of expected that, but hey! That's a guide, which means to help and show the most well-done examples too. And thanks atvelonis, I'm happy I helped you too and I hope to finally see some cave of yours soon!  | |
| Darvince | ||
| sea level change Age: 25 Karma: 107 Posts: 2043 Gender: Female Location: The Nuclear Era pm | email |
Lol, the only thing I learned from this is that Insert can be used to add in the tile. Really helpful, though because it makes the process take up about half as much time instead of doing awkward key commands (Alt+Shift+\ among others). "Time is a circuit, not a line; cybernetics instantiates templexity." | |
| buboy24 | ||
Age: 25 Karma: 51 Posts: 715 Gender: Male pm | email |
I personally love the way you produce your caves Teo, unlike mine because of lack of knowledge about how to design your caves. Like Kro, I strongly agreeee... to this guide which I find helpful for those beginners and newbies (ME!). I like how Soccerboy and Harumbai make their caves too. It's really looks like a cave. Pipe Dream is just amazing as it looks.  It's good to be back. | |
| Teo | ||
Age: 26 Karma: 138 Posts: 1766 Gender: Male Location: Warsaw, Poland pm | email |
Thanks Buboy and Darvince, too! Heheh, Insert and Delete will definitely help and I hope the rest helps too. But by the way, I added an extension, an also pretty fat and new example of visual look with things marked even in six colours! It's just before the last example with filling the caves with some unused chambers. I think it's pretty important too, and shows some external things I forgot to add yesterday. Thanks for attention! | |
| buboy24 | ||
Age: 25 Karma: 51 Posts: 715 Gender: Male pm | email |
Why~ Teo, you are always so happy and innocent!? It's good to be back. | |
| jebby | ||
| Interguild Founder Age: 33 Karma: 233 Posts: 968 Gender: Male Location: United Kingdom pm | email |
I tried to make a guide like this a long time ago. You did a much better job than I did. | |
| Teo | ||
Age: 26 Karma: 138 Posts: 1766 Gender: Male Location: Warsaw, Poland pm | email |
I've expanded this again a little bit with the examples which couldn't leave me calm, so I had to add them. Now I somehow feel the guide is full, and I hope you can make some nice use of it. 'jebby' said: I tried to make a guide like this a long time ago. You did a much better job than I did. I've seen one guide of yours just before I started making my one, and I remember you once mentioned about filling the empty spaces, but your one was more about the design itself, not the visual look, and it's good too since it's the point of it. It teaches the beginners very well about the speed of your traps and tells some useful design tips, so it's definitely well-made and needed in my opinion. 'buboy24' said: Why~ Teo, you are always so happy and innocent!? Heheh, I just became a bit more mature through my inactivity time here (I hope so), and I think I'm just have a character like this. I don't like to argue with people and I might say I have some good relations with them, so it's not something too bad I guess. :p I'm also just almost always laughing, I like to be in a good mood, and I like to make others have a laughable and good humor too, since it's just healthy and nice, because it always helps when you have stressing exams or something.  I guess I won't do any changes anymore unless you can tell me about some grammar errors I could do, it would even help me. :p Anyways, I'm happy I could make my work useful and thanks for all the positive opinions and criticism! | |
| shos | ||
| ~Jack of all trades~ Age: 32 Karma: 390 Posts: 8275 Gender: Male Location: Israel pm | email |
So uh, it appears I've never seen this before, and it looks wonderful. there are some things that are not necessarily correct imo but the overall idea is shown clearly; one must remember not to abuse the visual of the cave into interfering with the cave difficulty(for example, loads of spikes in different places is cool, but can also kill you...). If I could karma rate this, I would.  | |
| Teo | ||
Age: 26 Karma: 138 Posts: 1766 Gender: Male Location: Warsaw, Poland pm | email |
'shos' said: So uh, it appears I've never seen this before, and it looks wonderful. Thanks :p 'shos' said: there are some things that are not necessarily correct imo but the overall idea is shown clearly; Yup, I rather just described my own style in some parts, but that was in the intention to avoid making the things in the cave competely wrong. I usually said then just "that's rather very personal" or something and then you still can just do whatever you purely want if you don't have another way, but some things are rather necessarily important. (gASHhh, I hate spikes floating in mid-air!) 'shos' said: one must remember not to abuse the visual of the cave into interfering with the cave difficulty(for example, loads of spikes in different places is cool, but can also kill you...). If I could karma rate this, I would. And yeah, so then you must just make it good looking and having a good difficulty together. But I guess no one will die in a straight corridor with spikes above Hannah, unless that person accidentally "presses jump". :d | |
| shos | ||
| ~Jack of all trades~ Age: 32 Karma: 390 Posts: 8275 Gender: Male Location: Israel pm | email |
'Teo' said: unless that person accidentally "presses jump". :d do you have ANY idea how many times this happened to me??!@?!?!?! | |
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