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| kolkon sitei Age: 36 Karma: 57 Posts: 342 Gender: Female Location: darvince pm | email |
Make a (one use) NOR gate in HATPC. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ A NOR gate is a type of gate/operator with two inputs and one output. The two inputs and the output are either 0 or 1, off or on, True or False. When any of the switches is on, then the NOR Gate will output off. If both of the switches is off, the the NOR gate will ouput on. However in HATPC there are no switches and there are no inverters. To compensate, you can use stuff like arrows as single-use switches and a control switch for inverting signals. If you're still confused, i suggest you mess around with this tool: http://www.cs.kent.edu/~volkert/F10-10051/notes/logsim.html Drag two switches, a lightbulb and a NOR gate into the sandbox. drag wires from the switches to the NOR gate and a wire from the gate to the lightbulb. The switches and lightbulb here are like arrows in HATPC. When the switches/lightbulb is on, that means the arrow was fired/boulder was dropped/tnt was triggered. When the switches/lightbulb is off, that means the arrow was not fired, the boulder was not pushed, and the tnt was not blown up. The goal is the make the NOR gate in between them. Here are the specifications for this competition: Input: 3 switches. 1 for input A, 1 for input B, and 1 control switch. Possible switches are boulders, tnt, arrows, and probably a bunch more i haven't thought of yet. ________________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Guidelines/Scoring: Modularity: Input should be compatible with output. That is; if you are using tnt as input switches, you shouldn't be having boulders fall as an output. This is important because a modular NOR Gate allows one to build any of the 16 boolean operators. Usability: How easy is it to input values? Do they have to be input in a specific order or in a specific timeframe? The more flexible the switch, the better. Size: Compactness is helpful but not essential. Originality: Although improving on other designs is probably the best way to optimize the solution, an original/unique concept/design is more impressive. | |
| soccerboy13542 | ||
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what exactly is a NOR gate...? 'Livio' said: You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me. | |
| Darvince | ||
| sea level change Age: 25 Karma: 107 Posts: 2043 Gender: Female Location: The Nuclear Era pm | email |
logic gate that outputs current if neither input A nor B is on. "Time is a circuit, not a line; cybernetics instantiates templexity." | |
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| kolkon sitei Age: 36 Karma: 57 Posts: 342 Gender: Female Location: darvince pm | email |
sorry i botched that explanation. a nor gate is a logic gate that outputs on if A and B are both off, else the gate is always off | |
| soccerboy13542 | ||
| ~*~Soccer~*~ Karma: 450 Posts: 4466 Gender: Male Location: 1945 pm | email |
could you possibly make a really simple one, one that if someone copied, it would be guaranteed last place? not exactly sure what you're talking about still. 'Livio' said: You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me. | |
| Darvince | ||
| sea level change Age: 25 Karma: 107 Posts: 2043 Gender: Female Location: The Nuclear Era pm | email |
like this: 2 arrows input current. 1 arrow outputs current. the rightmost arrow is the output, the left ones are input. this is their logic (- represents off, = represents on): -> => -> => -> -> -> -> => => -> => "Time is a circuit, not a line; cybernetics instantiates templexity." | |
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| kolkon sitei Age: 36 Karma: 57 Posts: 342 Gender: Female Location: darvince pm | email |
well that's the problem -- i've spent an hour on the problem and haven't come up with a working solution yet  this is an explanation that should suffice: In a particular hatpc level, you have two arrows together (input) and a third 'output' arrow. When you don't trigger any of the input arrows, the NOR Gate causes the output arrow to be fired. However, if you trigger any of the two input arrows, the ouput arrow won't be fired. Clearly, this is impossible in HATPC because stuff doesn't happen spontaneously. So, i've allowed for a 3rd 'control' switch/arrow which will always be fired. Instead of two input arrows, you have three. The first you always trigger, and the other two are your input. the rest of the NOR Gate works the same way. To summarize, you get three input switches that can be items like arrows/boulders/tnt. The third switch is always triggered. If any of the other two switches are triggered, the output switch is not activated. If the two inputs are not triggerd, the ouput switch is activated. The third switch is purely because the NOR Gate wouldn't be possible without it. And, by the way, i keep on referring to the control switch as the third one here, but the arrows/switches can be in any orientation/order as long as clearly marked If you're still confused, i suggest you mess around with this tool: http://www.cs.kent.edu/~volkert/F10-10051/notes/logsim.html Drag two switches, a lightbulb and a NOR gate into the sandbox. drag wires from the switches to the NOR gate and a wire from the gate to the lightbulb. The switches and lightbulb here are like arrows in HATPC. When the switches/lightbulb is on, that means the arrow was fired/boulder was dropped/tnt was triggered. When the switches/lightbulb is off, that means the arrow was not fired, the boulder was not pushed, and the tnt was not blown up. The goal is the make the NOR gate in between them. | |
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| kolkon sitei Age: 36 Karma: 57 Posts: 342 Gender: Female Location: darvince pm | email |
oh wow that's impressive. | |
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| kolkon sitei Age: 36 Karma: 57 Posts: 342 Gender: Female Location: darvince pm | email |
ah well that's what i was looking for! much simpler than anything i could think of i made this monstrous contraption for NOR but obviously yours is better  Code: '
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first arrow is control, next two are A, and B. arrow to the right is the output, it'll unlock the treasures. | |
| soccerboy13542 | ||
| ~*~Soccer~*~ Karma: 450 Posts: 4466 Gender: Male Location: 1945 pm | email |
would this work? Code: ' terrain 1 background 1 water clear xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxwwxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx mxxxxx== xwxx wxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx xxxkxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxkoxxm xxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxkoxxxx x xxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxw xxxxxkkxxxxxxxxxx x wxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxkkoxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxkooxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx wxxxxxkoxxxxxxxxxxxxxx=== xxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxokxxxxxwxwoxxxoxxxm xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxw xxxxokkx wo o owowoxxxx wxxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxo o o o o kx xx xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxo o oxmx x ow xxx== xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxooxxxo oo om wxxm xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxx ooxxoo oo xxm oxx xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxww ooxxkx xxxxx oox xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx xxw xxx oxxxowo owxxx xox== xxxxx xxxxxxxxxx wxx xkxxxo o o owx xoxm wxxx xxxxxxxxxw x xowxxx xxx o o xoxxx xxx xxxx wxxx w xooxxxxxxxxx omwkxxx xxx xxxw xxx xxoxxxxwxxwxxxx oxxxx xxx xxx xw Doxwx o oxx ooxxx xxx xxx n n u xxkx o o o okwmxoxxx xxx xxx # o o o mmxwox o ox o xo xxoxxx =xxx xxxm xxxx== xx xx ==x oo xxxx x xooxxkxxx xxx xxxx xwxx xw wx xxxmxo xxxx o xxkxxowxw xxx xxxx x oxxm x x xkxxxxxxxwo o o o xoox xxx xxxx= x ooxx x mx o oxxxxwo o x o o xxox =xxx xxxw x xowx xm xx o oxxxo o xxxxxxx xox xxx xxx x xo o xx xw xxxxxoo xxxxo o xxmxox xxx xxx x xxmoxxx x xxxxxoxmxxxwo o oxxxkx xxx xxx== x wx==wxw xm xxxxwkxxxx oxx ooxwox =xxx xx x x m o xx xxxm oxxxx o oxxoxoox xxx xx x xxx o xxok=xx ooxxx mx ooxoxoxx xxx xx xo wxxxx wxo =xxmxoxx xxxxoxoxkwx xxx xx == xxo wxw ko o xxxox mxxxxoxkxo xm =xxx xx xxxo x o == oo ow okxxxxkxowo xx xxx xxm xxxx mxmoomo == oo o oxoxxo o o x xx xxx xxx xxxw xx==kxxxxxxxx x xxoxoo omk xx xxx xxx== xxx xxx==wxwxxwxx w xxoxoxxkxkxmxxx =xxx xxx xxx wxx xmxw mxxoxkxxoxkxxxxx xxx xxx xxxm xxmm xxx m xxxowoxxoxowxxx xxx xxx xxxx xxxx wxx xxxmxxoxo oxxoxooxxx xxx xxx== xxxx mxxxx o w xxxxowo xxxkxxoxxw ==xxx xxx xxxx xxxxx om o o owo x xxo oxoxx xxx xxx xxxx xwxxx mxxxo omomoxxmxko oxoxx xxx xxx xxxx o xxw xxxxxxkxxxo xxxoxxxxkxx xxx xxx== xxxxxo xx owxwwxow xo xwkxwxxowx ==xxx xxx xxxxxx xx xo o owomo o x oxxxxk x "xxx xxx xxxxxx xw xxmo o xxo kx x ooxxxo x xxx xxx xxxxxx o mxxxxxxxxxxo o x xkxxxomx xxx xxx== xxxxxxxo xxo woowo o o xmwoxxwkxx xxx xxx xxxxxxxxmowo o oo o xxxxx oox oxxm ==xxx xxxm xxxxxxxxxo xxo xxmxo xxxxmxoxmokxx xxx xxxx wxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxoxxxowx xxx xxxx= x""xxxxxxxxx"xxxw xxxo xkxxko x xxx xxxx w wx xxxxxw xxx o xowom owxkx x ===xx xxxx xxxw wxm x==o xo omxkw x xx xxxx ====== wx xx xxxxxxxxxxxo x mxx xxxx= ======xx o x o xxxo omxx xxx xxxx xxxo o o o o xxxx ==xxx xxxxm xxxxo xo o xxxxxx xxx xxxxx xxx xxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxx mxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx first 2 rocks are input, last is control if input A, B, A&B are pushed, a rock will fall (doesn't actually do anything, just to know that it's done and that you can stop waiting). if control is pushed alone, 4 metal crates will fall allowing you to go to the door. would this work? 'Livio' said: You know, I was thinking of getting an internship at Microsoft, but I'm not sure I want their lameness to rub off on me. | |
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| kolkon sitei Age: 36 Karma: 57 Posts: 342 Gender: Female Location: darvince pm | email |
ahahha i haven't played it but i'll take a look at it. you'll probably win the most convoluted nor gate competition | |
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